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« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2008, 06:56:13 AM »

First Hello and welcome todtkaufman!!!
 
Except the Big Foots of course and last I heard they are not talking. 


Well, some folks claim that they are.  Cheesy
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2008, 11:44:49 AM »

I'm new here, but does this type of arguing happen here all the time?  I'm looking for help finding researchers and information to help my situation out and there doesnt seem to be much of that here.  IMHO.  Or am I missing where that stuff is at here?

Can someone help me?  I've got a family of bigfeets that live on my familys property for 25 years now. Would like some knowledgable researchers to check them out.

First welcome Tod. Arguing and disagreements seems to be a trait most humans are predisposed to engage in. Any time two or more folks come together and have a verbal discourse it's bound to result sooner or later. It is common to have it erupt on all sites. It's how it's dealt with that makes the difference. Here my tolerance for it is slim. I'm just not going to let anyone ruin this site for those who have a genuine interest in the subjects discussed here thru arguments and personal attacks or name calling. NO ONE will last long here if they insist on doing such. You will see such pop up from time to time but we will quell it fairly quickly and anyone who just cannot post without it will be weeded out by me fairly soon.

I want to allow folks to disagree and challenge things in a sceientific matter to the extent it doesn't disrupt the flow of information. Name calling and personal attacks have no place in our discussions here. I'm a bit surprised that SD came in the way he did I was not expecting that of him. I do somewhat understand the why but this site is NOT the place for the disagreement he has with certain other site members. That needs to be dealt with in a more personal setting and not here on open forums.

I agree with Patty and Ray there really are no experts in this area of study. If there were then they'd have photos and video of the creatures to share with us at least and perhaps lots more to offer. There are folks who are in this only for the money or the glory and not for scientific research and there are plenty who only want to kill one and folks who think killing is all wrong. Personally I'd take the life of one only to save my own or someone else's who was with me not just to say I'd killed a bigfoot.

I of course am quite skeptically of the existence of them at all since I've never personally had an experience with anything I couldn't identify and have never seen anyone who says they have had such personal experiences show me any photographic evidence or any type of solid proof of existence. I'm willing to believe but need some proof first.

Who to invite? I sure don't know but know several you really should NOT invite. To me honest were it me sitting where you are having land on which I was convince the real McCoy existed and I wanted some researcher to come and help me verify it I'd not call on anyone without a DR. in front of their name with a doctorate in some scienctific field. I'd have to know that capturing or killing was NOT on their agenda. Who fits that description? If I had to name a name I believe Dr. Jeff Meldrum's name would come to mind first. I'm sure he could suggest others as well.

Yeah there are some folks here I believe I'd trust and some I'd not. Since I've really not met any of the folks here in person and have no real personal history with them I guess I'd be reluctant to name names to you in that regard even tho I do feel I could trust some of them. None here I'm aware of have scientific backgrounds and few are truly going about this in the manner of a scientific investigation with all the requisite equipment and knowledge of how to properly document and identify this as yet unknown and unproven species of creature.

I'd like to think they exist and that some day we'd know that but I'm not sure that would be in the best interest of the creature really. If they exist they've been doing pretty good so far on their own without mankind being sure of their existence. It might really be best for them for it to remain that way.

I guess honestly if I were sitting on what you claim to be sitting on I'd want to do it myself. Be out there and try to see them and perhaps film them if you can. Study their habits and their food preferences and watch how they interact with each other and with you. Only after I had solid photographic and/or video evidence so clear and certain that it would appear no one could question it would I move forward to approaching others with my location. Even then I think I'd approach only solid proven scientist involved in such study like Meldrum. That's what I'd do. You of course do what you think right.

But be extremely cautious who you invite or your land will be over run by pulicity seekers and folks with guns shooting at every shadow and trespassing day and night on your land. You, your land and your creatures will never be the same again if you allow the wrong folks to find out who/where you are located. BE VERY CAREFUL.
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2008, 12:35:16 PM »

Ray, Patty and  Bill....

Thank you for posting voices of reason.  There are a few folks on this board who have the images and "evidence" you and others long to see...but to share that information is to invite hordes of miscreants to an otherwise normally pastoral setting.   

I have exchanged emails with Tod and hope I can help him accomplish what his family thinks is most important, only time will tell.  Generations of rapport building, patience, passive interaction and "habituation" could be destroyed literally overnight...by armed thugs and wannabes looking for glory, under the guise of "research"...some folks here learned this first hand...the hard way...enough said. 

We met with Dr. Meldrum and Dr. Higgins last Fall,  they gave us their personal cards and private cell phone numbers, if circumstances warrant , they are just a phone call away.  They have been examining our "evidence" for several months.

The only thing stranger than the phenomena of Sasquatch...are the personalities and politics of Sasquatchery.

live and let live...

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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2008, 02:53:10 PM »

Tod,

I don't fit Bill's description of whom he would involve: my doctorate is in ministry with an emphasis in preaching, but I'm not devoid of knowledge of scientific methods of inquiry.  I do have a friend who has a doctorate in zoology, and he has told me that he is available to do identifications.  He is a bigfoot skeptic.  He is a retired university professor--and a hunter and outdoorsman.  Lives in northwestern Oklahoma.
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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2008, 06:28:07 PM »

Tod,

The PM I sent earlier this weekend correlates closely with the post made above by Bill.

My advice remains as that of a carpenter....measure twice, cut once.  Cool
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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2008, 07:35:25 AM »

I've modified this thread extensively removing entire posts and in some cases just deleting parts and leaving what I felt to be relative to the thread.

Guys and gals I've said it more than once but it bears repeating again. This site is not for pissing contests, personal attacks, name calling and the like. If you have an interest in the topics it covers and wish to discuss them then you're welcome here. If you're here to cause trouble and get into arguments you are not welcome here. We are going to move this site in a positive direction with discussion of the bigfoot creature and we're not going to allow personal attacks and name calling regardless of who the poster is.
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2008, 06:13:07 AM »

I do not know this person but he/she certainly said a mouthful....

It does bring up some interesting questions for me though. Why is it that so many people who set up a surveillance position in a tree stand with a gun in hand, looking to shoot one of these “creature” never get the chance to pull the trigger? Or make it back to their car after an uneventful night just to hear a call or find some sign? Why is it that hunters with guns locked, cocked, and ready to rock can have one in their sights but can’t pull the trigger on them? Why do certain people search their whole lives for them and never see one?

...and, explains the angst of so many in the pro-kill camp.
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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2008, 12:32:19 PM »

This quote--It is a quote, isn't it?--posted immediately above by Telahnay's G'son seems to suggest that bigfeet are aware when someone has hostile intent.  And it seems to suggest that a person with hostile intent is less likely to have an encounter.  I can accept that--given my years of experience with dogs.  I once pastored a church wherein the matron-in-chief--Don't most churches have one?--didn't like dogs.  I happened to have a small Boston Terrier which was non-aggressive toward almost everyone.  But when this woman came around, I had to restrain the dog to keep the woman from getting bit.

And this reminds me of a post and a private message that I have received.  In his post, Ole Bub suggested that one might go out into the woods and "sing some hymns."  In the private message, a person told me that a person that she knows has gone out into the field and "prayed in the Spirit" and had the critters approach and listen.  Curious?

Can you imagine Ole Bub out in the woods singing hymns?

If you don't know what praying in the Spirit is.... 

BTW, going out into the woods and fields to pray all by yourself is a pretty good indication that you really believe in what you are doing--that you are not praying just for the listening ears of those around you.  Like I've said, I love it when I get an opportunity to slip in a little preaching.

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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2008, 01:19:33 PM »

Ray,

'ol Bub cannot sing hymns in the woods...it was deemed a felony by local LE after a rancher complained it caused his cattle to run through the fence!  Grin
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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2008, 01:36:57 PM »

Ray...

My singing is often mistaken for the coughing croak of a bloated bullfrog....I'm more apt to sing The Wild Side of Life than the Ole Rugged Cross.   Tom Waits sounds like Paul Potts...when compared to my garbled warbling...LOL

live and let live...

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« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2008, 11:58:11 PM »

One of the linchpins of pro-kill advocacy is "science" will only validate BF existence when there's a body on the slab.

To that, others have voiced the question...who in mainstream science is currently clamoring for a body?

Perhaps, it's the ego of the shooter that demands a body?

Why do we really need to "prove" their existence in the first place?

Egomania?
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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2008, 04:50:51 PM »

I'm definately in the amateur dabble category and not the scientist category I guess even though I do, in fact, have a background in science. (chemistry). I could really only see myself shooting one in an extreme close range self defense type situation. I'd really be worried, in any other situation, of shooting some guy in a ape costume pulling a prank. BTW, what exactly is the prophecy about the white buffalo calf? I did a couple of google searchs and it seems several have already been born.
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« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2008, 09:35:57 PM »

I'm definately in the amateur dabble category and not the scientist category I guess even though I do, in fact, have a background in science. (chemistry). I could really only see myself shooting one in an extreme close range self defense type situation. I'd really be worried, in any other situation, of shooting some guy in a ape costume pulling a prank. BTW, what exactly is the prophecy about the white buffalo calf? I did a couple of google searchs and it seems several have already been born.

http://whitebuffalomiracle.homestead.com/

http://www.merceronline.com/Native/native05.htm

There are some that say when the next one comes along a Great Awakening will commence ushering in a new era in human relations.
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2008, 09:29:54 AM »

I do not know this person but he/she certainly said a mouthful....

It does bring up some interesting questions for me though. Why is it that so many people who set up a surveillance position in a tree stand with a gun in hand, looking to shoot one of these “creature” never get the chance to pull the trigger? Or make it back to their car after an uneventful night just to hear a call or find some sign? Why is it that hunters with guns locked, cocked, and ready to rock can have one in their sights but can’t pull the trigger on them? Why do certain people search their whole lives for them and never see one?

...and, explains the angst of so many in the pro-kill camp.

On one of the internet radio shows (last week) a caller was asked why he was "afraid" of SF/BF...to which, he replied..."because they are so big!"...when asked about their size he mentioned how big the one he saw running away...from a hail of bullets but then hung up when questioned further...hmmm.

A person making a practice of shooting at these things probably has reason to be afraid of the woods...especially after sundown.

Of course, this may be the explanation for some folks claiming their penchant for taking sound shots?
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