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« on: April 25, 2008, 11:12:46 PM » |
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Made my inaugeral trip over to that area this PM and did an abbreviated recon of the area. The small watershed lake looks promising for a bass fishin' expedition. Went to the (former) site of the "territorial marker" but found nothing of consequence except for the rock placed in the hollow at the bottom of a small tree. Went up on the ridge for several hundred yards and that's where something of significant interest was found. Plan on coming back and bringing Dr. Wallace when more time can be devoted to a thorough exploration for additional findings.
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ole bub
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 11:46:17 AM » |
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Preliminary Field Report on Skilleyville...
John and I stopped by Skilleyville, Friday April 25th, about 3:30 in the afternoon. This was John's first trip to Skilleyville. I wanted to check a possible trackway I had photographed 20 months earlier in 2006, and show John the "scene of the crime" where we were falsely accused of vandalizing a possible BF boundary marker.
I was disappointed to see the litter and trash dumped around the water impound on the Northern boundary of Skilleyville. Despite the torrenetial rains and flash flooding of this past week, the accumulated trash and litter spoils the natural beauty of this otherwise remote area of Adair County, Oklahoma.
John climbed the "snake infested" bluffs and rocky outcrops along the Western boundary, I'll let him discuss his findings. I walked the road looking for tracks and sign. I took a comparison photo of an interesting rock placed in the base of a tree, I had discovered in 2006.
This is the same area where John and I were falsely accused of vandalizing a possible BF boundary marker, with my 2 wheel drive Toyota Tundra. I have asked John to post the comparison images, and the BF boundary images showing the absurdity of those accusations. We examined the remains of the "BF" boundary marker and concluded it was probable ice damage from one of the two devastating ice storms since my last trip to the area, in 2006.
In 2006 I had taken digital images of a possible trackway adjacent to the above mentioned water impound, upon closer examination, this trackway appears to be an ATV trail, not a BF trackway.
My thanks to John for his inquisitive, intrepid investigation, generosity, and patience with my health issue limitations.
live and let live...
ole bub and the dawgs
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 03:07:48 PM » |
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Pics.... circa, 2006  circa, 2008  tired old fart...  Cherokee driven by a Yuchi....goes places where Tundra's fear to tread!   As Bub alluded, I found some very interesting things up top including a possible nursery area...backed out and made appropriate apologies to the parties so concerned...didn't have the appropriate gear/equipment to properly document things but will do so on the next soiree' back there...a gorgeous location indeed. More to follow...  |
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Bill
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 04:24:16 PM » |
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Can you explain why you call a rock leaning against a tree a "possible BF boundary marker"? Why in the world would you assume a rock leaning against a tree to be a marker of any sort really much less a terriorial (I assume) boundary marker made by a bigfoot?
Being a skeptic I view such things in more simplistic terms than assuming anything I see was automatically made by a bigfoot thus my inquiry as to why you think it placed by bigfoot.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 04:51:41 PM » |
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Thanks for sharing the pics.....did you fellas go see the indian graveyard where the graves have roofs built over them?
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#59
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 05:07:46 PM » |
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Can you explain why you call a rock leaning against a tree a "possible BF boundary marker"? Why in the world would you assume a rock leaning against a tree to be a marker of any sort really much less a terriorial (I assume) boundary marker made by a bigfoot?
Being a skeptic I view such things in more simplistic terms than assuming anything I see was automatically made by a bigfoot thus my inquiry as to why you think it placed by bigfoot.
Bill, I haven't referred to it as any sort of a "marker" as perhaps 'Ol Bub (and others) will elaborate upon that particular (photo)object although it appears unlikely the stone was placed inside the hollow of that tree by accident ? |
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2008, 05:10:09 PM » |
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Thanks for sharing the pics.....did you fellas go see the indian graveyard where the graves have roofs built over them?
R, There are such grave sites all over eastern Oklahoma...just before you drive into Skilleyville there are two graves (abutting each other) in a shallow hollow/creek bottom area. |
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ole bub
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2008, 05:11:15 PM » |
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Bill...
The rock is an anomaly I discovered on my first trip to Skilleyville, the rock is wedged securely in the fork at the base of the tree on it's edge.
The supposed "BF territorial boundary marker" was a teepee formation consisting of four or five moderately sized logs and limbs in the form of a teepee about 40 feet north of the tree with the rock. I noticed the rock because it seemed out of place with the natural undergrowth, I mentioned it as an item of interest.
John and I were accused a few months ago of vandalizing this alleged "territorial boundary marker"...those spurious allegations of vandalism prompted our visit to Skilleyville. The comparison images are posted for illustrative purposes of context.
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The possible trackway was in fact an ATV trail....the "teepee BF territorial boundary formation" and its subsequent collapse...appears to have been a natural occurring event resulting from forces of nature. The rock wedged into the base of a tree remains an interesting anomaly...JMHO
live and let live...
ole bub and the dawgs
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Teufelwald
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2008, 05:38:19 PM » |
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Mebbe the tree grew up around the rock?
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2008, 06:00:32 PM » |
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Mebbe the tree grew up around the rock?
Could be...or, some PO'd squirrel placed it there to keep pesky "BF researchers" from bothering it's home ?  |
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Bill
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 08:44:11 AM » |
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OK since you showed the photo of the rock in conjunction with your discussion of the territorial marker I guess I just mistakenly assumed it to be the marker mentioned. As a skeptic I never assign bigfoot significance to such things seen in the woods.
I have seen several such rocks grown into the roots or forks of trees in my life time. I've never had reason to assume a bigfoot had any involvement in them. Most just appeared to be quite natural in that the tree just grew up around them in rocky soil and some others likely were placed by a human at some point in the growth of the tree. I've seen examples I feel fit both descriptions.
I've likewise seen many places where trees have fallen over because of storms that if someone wished could I suppose blame on a bigfoot but since there have been no reported bigfoot activity in any of those areas I certainly would not personal assume such an origin for the formations.
Nature offers us enough strange displays without us having to always assign some other explanation to them. As a skeptic I look for the most simple and natural explanation myself.
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Ray Ford
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 12:19:03 PM » |
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Nature offers us enough strange displays without us having to always assign some other explanation to them. As a skeptic I look for the most simple and natural explanation myself.
I was taught that, in scientific inquiry, the simplest explanation that explains the observations/data is usually the best explanation. Interesting posts. |
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If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just,
and will forgive our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
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ole bub
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 01:28:23 PM » |
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Ray...
I believe you are referring to Occam's razor...ask John to show you the rock tree, I would be interested in your humble opinion...the rock placement appear's anomalistic to my tired ole beadyeyes...according to other "investigators"...there are other anomalies attributed to squatch activity in the immediate area surrounding the rock tree...note the large rock lying across the uprooted sapling adjacent to John.
Our intent was not prove or disprove...validate or debunk...but rather to enjoy the experience of exploring...after a long cold Winter. I felt it appropriate to show John, the scene of our alleged "act of vandalism...regardless of the insincerity or prevarications of the accusers.
We observed proper decorum and reverence upon noticing the NA grave sites.
live and let live...
ole bub and the dawgs
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pattymac
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2008, 10:21:20 AM » |
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It looks like a peaceful place to spend an afternoon. I can imagne the birds singing their hearts out there.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 10:50:18 AM » |
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It looks like a peaceful place to spend an afternoon. I can imagne the birds singing their hearts out there.
I could've closed my eyes, reopened them and been in parts of NW (Lauderdale, Colbert, Franklin counties) Alabama. |
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