Skilleyville

[Ray Ford]

So you have accused others of invading other researcher's areas, and now you do the same.

This has been well known as Darkwing's area, and he even shared it with Ole Bub, now you guys go there just to rub it in everyone's face. 

Why??

Why do you people attack folks?  Why do you run this in people's faces?  All this does is make you look like creeps.

Nuff said.  I'm through with this place, it contradicts itself everytime I come here.

This raises an interesting question:  Who owns what? 

[Ray Ford]

Ray...

I believe you are referring to Occam's razor...ask John to show you the rock tree, I would be interested in your humble opinion...the rock placement appear's anomalistic to my tired ole beadyeyes...according to other "investigators"...there are other anomalies attributed to squatch activity in the immediate area surrounding the rock tree...note the large rock lying across the uprooted sapling adjacent to John.

live and let live...

ole bub and the dawgs

I'm awaiting an invitation.  But I've got to get some snake boots.

[Ray Ford]

[D]id you fellas go see the indian graveyard where the graves have roofs built over them?

Just before my mother died, she described how my great-grandfather's brothers "took singles and built little roofs over the graves" of him and my great-grandmother.  She had never, in 90 years, allowed it to pass her lips that we were part NA--part Indian.  But when she told us about the grave houses, I knew for sure that we were.  I learned, after my life was more than half over, that great-grandpa's mother was "an Indian woman."  We have a copy of a letter written by my grandmother's sister to the government in which she says, "We was never taken for slaves.  We was descendants of the Cherokees."  And, "We didn't enroll when we was supposed to because we was afraid we'd be sent to the Territory."  She was in northern Alabama.  The Territory would be Oklahoma--to which, ironically, my mother's family moved in the early 1900's.

I had always assumed that those grave houses--there are many of them in Oklahoma--were to protect the graves.  An old Indian man told me different.  They are, he said, built to keep the spirits of the dead in the grave!

I once did a Christian funeral for a Kiowa man, married to a Creek, at a funeral home in Norman, Oklahoma, and then went to an Indian cemetery where I was invited to participate in the NA rites.  With the other adult males, I walked around the casket and, having received a tiny bit of tobacco from an elder, dropped it into the casket.   That Indian cemetery was covered with grave houses built of oak poles and roofed.  They looked like miniture log cabins.  A little south of Tulsa, in the Liberty Mounds cemetery, where I have several relatives buried, there is a grave house built of sawn lumber and roofing.  It is painted and looks quite neat.

BTW, my great-grandfather and his wife--she was full Irish--were buried in a combination Black and Indian cemetery in Big Coon Valley in Jackson County, Alabama.  Most of that cemetery, including their graves, has been "farmed over."  Only a few stone markers--just un-cut and un-lettered limestone flakes--remain in a grove of trees off the road.

If you run across an old NA grave while out looking for bigfeet, pause for a moment and pay homage to the Great Spirit and honor his people.

[Bill]

So you have accused others of invading other researcher's areas, and now you do the same.

This has been well known as Darkwing's area, and he even shared it with Ole Bub, now you guys go there just to rub it in everyone's face. 

Why??

Why do you people attack folks?  Why do you run this in people's faces?  All this does is make you look like creeps.

Nuff said.  I'm through with this place, it contradicts itself everytime I come here.

I don't know where you are coming from with this rant but it is you in this case making the personal attack. Did they trespass on private land on which they had no permission or is this public land open to all? If the latter they have as much right as any to be there and if the former then certainly they should not have been there. If private but they had permission again it's OK to be there.

But if you want to leave then by all means just go why do you keep making such a big issue of your departure no one really gives a rat's ass if you stay or you go but by all means quit crying and making such a show of doing it just GO. Might it be your way of retreating before it's found out all you've said so far is mere BS? Dunno just wondering out loud here why you make such an issue over something that in no way impacts you.

[Teufelwald]

[D]id you fellas go see the indian graveyard where the graves have roofs built over them?

Just before my mother died, she described how my great-grandfather's brothers "took singles and built little roofs over the graves" of him and my great-grandmother.  She had never, in 90 years, allowed it to pass her lips that we were part NA--part Indian.  But when she told us about the grave houses, I knew for sure that we were.  I learned, after my life was more than half over, that great-grandpa's mother was "an Indian woman."  We have a copy of a letter written by my grandmother's sister to the government in which she says, "We was never taken for slaves.  We was descendants of the Cherokees."  And, "We didn't enroll when we was supposed to because we was afraid we'd be sent to the Territory."  She was in northern Alabama.  The Territory would be Oklahoma--to which, ironically, my mother's family moved in the early 1900's.

I had always assumed that those grave houses--there are many of them in Oklahoma--were to protect the graves.  An old Indian man told me different.  They are, he said, built to keep the spirits of the dead in the grave!

I once did a Christian funeral for a Kiowa man, married to a Creek, at a funeral home in Norman, Oklahoma, and then went to an Indian cemetery where I was invited to participate in the NA rites.  With the other adult males, I walked around the casket and, having received a tiny bit of tobacco from an elder, dropped it into the casket.   That Indian cemetery was covered with grave houses built of oak poles and roofed.  They looked like miniture log cabins.  A little south of Tulsa, in the Liberty Mounds cemetery, where I have several relatives buried, there is a grave house built of sawn lumber and roofing.  It is painted and looks quite neat.

BTW, my great-grandfather and his wife--she was full Irish--were buried in a combination Black and Indian cemetery in Big Coon Valley in Jackson County, Alabama.  Most of that cemetery, including their graves, has been "farmed over."  Only a few stone markers--just un-cut and un-lettered limestone flakes--remain in a grove of trees off the road.

If you run across an old NA grave while out looking for bigfeet, pause for a moment and pay homage to the Great Spirit and honor his people.

Yeah....sounds like my moms family.....moms grandpa on her mothers side was either half or full Indian....no one knows.....they did not talk about it much.....one Indian and the rest of my family are Germans.....my Indian Great Grandpas name was Uba Talmadge....weird name huh. 
Yeah.....I was looking at pictures of those spirit houses.....interesting! 

[#59]

[D]id you fellas go see the indian graveyard where the graves have roofs built over them?

Just before my mother died, she described how my great-grandfather's brothers "took singles and built little roofs over the graves" of him and my great-grandmother.  She had never, in 90 years, allowed it to pass her lips that we were part NA--part Indian.  But when she told us about the grave houses, I knew for sure that we were.  I learned, after my life was more than half over, that great-grandpa's mother was "an Indian woman."  We have a copy of a letter written by my grandmother's sister to the government in which she says, "We was never taken for slaves.  We was descendants of the Cherokees."  And, "We didn't enroll when we was supposed to because we was afraid we'd be sent to the Territory."  She was in northern Alabama.  The Territory would be Oklahoma--to which, ironically, my mother's family moved in the early 1900's.

I had always assumed that those grave houses--there are many of them in Oklahoma--were to protect the graves.  An old Indian man told me different.  They are, he said, built to keep the spirits of the dead in the grave!

I once did a Christian funeral for a Kiowa man, married to a Creek, at a funeral home in Norman, Oklahoma, and then went to an Indian cemetery where I was invited to participate in the NA rites.  With the other adult males, I walked around the casket and, having received a tiny bit of tobacco from an elder, dropped it into the casket.   That Indian cemetery was covered with grave houses built of oak poles and roofed.  They looked like miniture log cabins.  A little south of Tulsa, in the Liberty Mounds cemetery, where I have several relatives buried, there is a grave house built of sawn lumber and roofing.  It is painted and looks quite neat.

BTW, my great-grandfather and his wife--she was full Irish--were buried in a combination Black and Indian cemetery in Big Coon Valley in Jackson County, Alabama.  Most of that cemetery, including their graves, has been "farmed over."  Only a few stone markers--just un-cut and un-lettered limestone flakes--remain in a grove of trees off the road.

If you run across an old NA grave while out looking for bigfeet, pause for a moment and pay homage to the Great Spirit and honor his people.

Yeah....sounds like my moms family.....moms grandpa on her mothers side was either half or full Indian....no one knows.....they did not talk about it much.....one Indian and the rest of my family are Germans.....my Indian Great Grandpas name was Uba Talmadge....weird name huh. 
Yeah.....I was looking at pictures of those spirit houses.....interesting! 

R,

Growing up in north Alabama the NA heritage wasn't talked about much in my family either although I did come out to Oklahoma of my own volition. 

Even though the "rivers do not sing" here it's still good country and except for a few soreheads, mighty good people as well.

[Teufelwald]

Yeah....it would be nice to be able to trace my N-A ancestry!

Words I try to live by!

As much as lieth within you......live peaceably with all men!

[#59]

As an addendum...I have learned this "research area" basically consists of the remnants of trash and food scraps thrown down a hillside (adjacent to the road) with the "researcher" conducting "studies" by means of staying in the truck and hanging a parabolic dish out the window. 

Reckon Dr. Jane Goodall could learn a few techniques from this fella?

[#59]

tg. As usual, you miss my meaning. I've seen and heard enough to know that something is out there, be it BF, or whatever it may be. My sister had the crap scared out of her in Ill 25 years ago. What she described are some of the same things that I've read about. The foul odor, rock throwing, etc. At that time she and the other kids hadn't even heard of bigfoot. All I meant was, that I'd love to see one with my own eyes. Once again, I invite you to share your vast knowledge of this elusive creature. I have extended this to truther as well, you know, your clone. I'm sure that with all of your vast experience, being a BF mod and all, that you are just about to burst with all of the stories you could tell. I eagerly await stories from you both. POWDERMAN. 

powderman

     Re: Recon activities
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2008, 08:33:51 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
tg. Last night I got an email asking me to join an elite group of folks, gave me a password, or coded word to get me into a part of that other board not open to, or can even be seen by the public, said they were being very select about their group, I feel honored. After I got there I found that a couple of folks were asking questions about you, and boy, they got some answers. I found out your real name, address, phone #, a link to your business. Saw pics of your house, vehicle, and a lot of comments about you. In one pic there was a guy standing at your door, apparently knocking, but you musta been in the shower cause you didn't answer the door, even though you had invited him over 5 or 6 times. I don't know how to cut and paste, wouldn't if I could, cause it wouldn't be ethical to put your personal info in a public forum. The best part was that these guys are into some really intense BF research, hi tech so to speak. I believe it's just a matter of time til they produce solid evidence of a real bigfoot. All of them have experience in this and I really believe that they will be able to prove the existence of BF to the world. Wish them luck. Going to work now, make sure you take a good paddle up that creek, ya might run outa gas.  POWDERMAN. 

Just in case the above post doesn't register with you let me make this plain...YOU have proclaimed yourself as a member of a select group and have even been annointed with the title of SENIOR FIELD RESEARCHER...now, boy either you is or you ain't.

What'll it be?

Enlighten us with your "stories".   

[darthwolf]

WOW! You two argue a lot?! I thought the point of this forum was to discuss BIgfoot?! So here's my only encounter........I personally have only had one short experience with hearing a Bigfoot...one night I heard a wailing howl outside my home in Humboldt County.CA ( Fieldbrook, about 45 miles from Willowcreek, near the ocean and in the redwoods)...I'm not sure it was a bigfoot but I have never heard anything like it in my life ! By the time I got my MP3 recorder set up it had stopped. It did sound an awful lot like the 1973 Washington calls though after listening to some vocalizations, but I cannot be sure?! I only hope to hear it again and get it recorded for study.....that's all I got to post about the big guy..sorry it's not more exciting!-darthwolf

[Bill]

WOW! You two argue a lot?! I thought the point of this forum was to discuss BIgfoot?! -darthwolf

You're right on both counts. This place is supposed to be a place to discuss bigfoot but it seems all those two want to do is argue back and forth over the validity of some other folks as having or not having bigfoot knowledge.

I don't even claim to believe in bigfoot's existence and for sure make no claims to be a bigfoot hunter but have probably posted more info regarding the subject of the site than both combined. I'm really getting tired of the BS discussions of other folks from other sites. If that's all you have to dicuss is the character and reputation of other folks who claim to be bigfoot hunters then why bother to post at all it adds nothing to the site and really only detracts from it.

I don't give a rat's ass about Bilby, Harrington & Lee. I don't really know and have never met either Harrington or Lee. I have met Bilby, I've read his stories posted on various sites, have had phone conversations with him hearing many of his stories and have met him in person and seen and held his photo in my hand. My personal opinion is it's all BS the photo is of nothing recognizable and the stories sound to me like made up BS whether they are or whether they are truthful I dunno and likely never will.

I've swapped some e-mails will Darren Lee but never met him or spoken with him via phone I don't think. In the e-mail discussions we've had he seemed a reasonable person and seems to want this BS between him and John and the rest to be put to rest. I can't say with any degree of certainty what he knows or has seen or even if for sure my evaluation of his motivation in these matters is as I interpret it but I do think he'd like to have it end and to get on with whatever it is he does in the area of bigfoot without the distractions of these endless arguments and name calling episodes.

My only interaction with Harrington was when he was a member and made some posts. His posts were classless and crass showing no depth of character and seemed only aimed at personal attacks and name calling. He added nothing to the discussion and made attacks on folks he has never met and has no knowledge of just because they were my family. I had never done anything to him and had never met him so he had no reason to attack me when it happened. He was banned from any and all sites under my control and will forever be as he showed me clearly enough he cannot be trusted to post in mixed company and really shouldn't be allowed to do so even in an adult male audience only if his behavior at my other site is any indication of how he behaves. Perhaps he has changed for the better I dunno but what he did was totally and completely inexcuseable in my eyes. GOD may forgive him but I will not.

I'm SICK and TIRED of the endless discussions here of the character good or bad of these three people. It has no place here on his site. From now on I'm gonna just delete any post or edit out any such references to them if the post otherwise has value. This is fair notice to those on both sides of the arguments about them. I'm tired of it and do not plan to allow it to continue here. If you have nothing better to add here than attacks on these three folks or for that matter defense of them then just don't add anything as no one else really wants to read it anymore.

If you have knowledge of or stories of bigfoot by all means post them. If you don't but have opinions on the subject feel free to post those. If all you have to contribute is personal attacks, name calling and enuindo then take it elsewhere I don't want to read it or waste bandwidth on it. I'm sure most everyone else who visits here agrees as do untold numbers of folks who might visit here were it not for such garbage being posted so regularly.

[ole bub]

Bill...

Works for me...

I have two class A daylight sightings posted...

both were daylight road crossings...

One occurred several years ago in Muskogee County, Oklahoma, it was thoroughly investigated by Daryl Colyer and is posted at the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy...

The other sighting is posted on the BFRO, that sighting occurred in Gage County, Nebraska, over thirty years ago no one ever contacted me from the BFRO...

The bulk of my "research" and facilitation networking is oriented toward respectful passive observation and habituation...which I do not discuss out of respect for the privacy of the habituators and the "indigenous North American Aboriginal Peoples"...enuff said.

live and let live...

ole bub and the dawgs

[Bill]

Yes he has indicated to me personal knowledge of such but says he can't reveal details which I respect. Like you tho if it is happening I just don't see why some specifics can't be revealed. Leave out names, places and any detail that might lead someone to guess the who/where. I have no need to know who or where but do need someone to give me a real reason to believe the creature Bigfoot is more than a myth or legend.

To say that person XXX living someone in state XYZ has done and then give the specifics of what without the who/where details should not in any way violate any trust they placed in you yet should at least lend a bit of potential credence to the supposed existence.

[#59]

Yes he has indicated to me personal knowledge of such but says he can't reveal details which I respect. Like you tho if it is happening I just don't see why some specifics can't be revealed. Leave out names, places and any detail that might lead someone to guess the who/where. I have no need to know who or where but do need someone to give me a real reason to believe the creature Bigfoot is more than a myth or legend.

To say that person XXX living someone in state XYZ has done and then give the specifics of what without the who/where details should not in any way violate any trust they placed in you yet should at least lend a bit of potential credence to the supposed existence.

Bill,

While not trying to be antagonistic, the truth still needs to be stated as the likely basis for some of Ol' bub's reticence in divulging details is the historical fact that two of the persons in your above post (yesterday) have previously made public (complete with Google Earth photos, pics, address & phone #'s) data on four (4) people, three (3) of which were engaged in various levels of interaction w/TOP.  The ensuing harrassment caused considerable difficulty for many of those people so affected and I can certainly understand once bitten, twice shy.

[Ray Ford]

OLE BUB. Talking about an habituation could hurt no one if done right. If ya don't intend to share an experience please don't dangle the thing under our noses to get us interested then take it away. No offense meant, but it's irritating. POWDERMAN. 

Powder,

You are--I hope that I don't make Ole Bub mad by saying this--right on this.  And it goes beyond making one irritated.  If someone says to me that they have, or saw, or spoke to and shook hands with, or shot at, or fought with, a bigfoot, but I'm not going to tell you about it, I wonder if they have in fact acquired, or saw, or spoke to and shook hands with, or shot at, or fought with, a bigfoot. Now, I can understand a situation where I MIGHT, even PROBABLY, say that I was involved in habituating a family of bigfeet but I don't want to divulge the details just yet.  But...