Knowledge about Bigfoot/Bigfeet

[Teufelwald]

Howdy Y'all 

I don't know anymore than what I have put in my encounter report.  If you have a specific question about one of my encounters ask me?

I have quoted only a small portion of your post.  The entire post is above for the reading.

I do have some questions about the specifics of your encounter(s).  I stated in my above post that, based on your first encounter, we could conclude that bigfeet are strong--strong enough to depress the rear of a car.  After I posted, I began to have doubts that you said that the rear of the car was depressed.  My question is this: Did the dark form that you saw just hit the back of the car or did he push it down?  Does what he did to the car indicate that he was a critter of considerable strength or not--if you recall?

Another question: Could you discern any details--you reported seeing a dark form--about whatever it was that you encountered while parked in the car?  Color?  Hair?  Anything else.

These questions are directed at your first encounter.  I have more questions about your second encounter that I will post after you reply, hopefully, to the questions on the first encounter.  I feel that it would be better if we don't intermix the two encounters in our discussion(s).

Thanks for responding.

Yep it made a loud noise when the creature hit the trunk of the car...and the back end went down....I do not recall a dent in the trunk lid so I would think the creature palmed it and the rear end went down....yeah....I do not know how much strengh it would take to make that 66 Chevy Biscayne do that?

Well it was a moonlite night...I saw the distinct shape......it was tall......its shape was like the one in the P/G film...it was not a long haired monster like in my 2nd encounter.....seemed taller and not so massive wide as the one in my 2nd encounter.....It just looked dark....after dark you cannot tell colors...unless it was white....and even then it might appear gray.....its been 30+ yrs ago....the best image I have is when the creature ran across the rd and I got a full view of it out the side window.

[Ray Ford]

...question: Could you discern any details--you reported seeing a dark form--about whatever it was that you encountered while parked in the car?  Color?  Hair?  Anything else.

Thanks for responding.

Well it was a moonlite night[, and] I saw the distinct shape.  t was tall.  ts shape was like the one in the P/G film[, but] it was not a long haired monster like in my 2nd encounter.[It] seemed taller and not so massive wide as the one in my 2nd encounter.

I've shortened the quotes.  Full posts are above.

I find this very interesting.  You are saying, I believe, that the two critters that you encountered were physically different.  Could you elaborate on that point just a little?

[Teufelwald]

...question: Could you discern any details--you reported seeing a dark form--about whatever it was that you encountered while parked in the car?  Color?  Hair?  Anything else.

Thanks for responding.

Well it was a moonlite night[, and] I saw the distinct shape.  t was tall.  ts shape was like the one in the P/G film[, but] it was not a long haired monster like in my 2nd encounter.[It] seemed taller and not so massive wide as the one in my 2nd encounter.

I've shortened the quotes.  Full posts are above.

I find this very interesting.  You are saying, I believe, that the two critters that you encountered were physically different.  Could you elaborate on that point just a little?

The creature I seen in 76 was a lot taller and did not have the appearance of being shaggy haired or as wide bodied as the creature I saw down by the river in 85...of course I only seen the creature in 76 just for a few seconds.

[Ray Ford]

I find this very interesting.  You are saying, I believe, that the two critters that you encountered were physically different.  Could you elaborate on that point just a little?

The creature I seen in 76 was a lot taller and did not have the appearance of being shaggy haired or as wide bodied as the creature I saw down by the river in 85...of course I only seen the creature in 76 just for a few seconds.

Teu,

One of the reasons that this variation in physical form interests me is that we had a reported sighting in the Spencer Creek area the first day of Oklahoma's 2007 deer season of a critter that was considerably smaller, according to the report, than what bigfeet are generally reported to be--shorter and less massive.  The person who reported the sighting deer leases from Bulletmaker and is also an acquaintance of Telahnay's G'son.  Both BM and T's.G. have made posts about this.  The person who made the sighting has not, to the best of my knowledge, posted anywhere.  I would like to have T's.G. re-post the gist of his post here so we wouldn't have to hunt for it.

A couple of other questions about the '85 encounter:

First, how long were the arms and legs of the critter in proportion to the body length?  Did the arms extend down on the leg below the point where the average man's arms extend?  Were the legs shorter or longer than the average man's.

Second, about the face.  Was the face smooth, as in smooth shaven, or hairy?  And what color was the skin of the face?  Was the profile straight or did the lower part of face protrude beyond the forehead--did he have a muzzle?

I know, in a situation such as you were in, that details like this often don't register, but if you do remember....

[#59]

I think this is what you (Ray) were referring to.....

There was apparently a visual sighting that occurred last Saturday PM during a deer hunt down on Doug (Bullet Maker) Bilby's place located ~3.5 miles west of Chelsea.  However, the sighting was of a BF/SF on the adjoining private land (40 acres on his western boundary) and not actually on Bilby's property.  The individual (DJ) is considered by myself to be a very credible person....

At ~15:00 hours while he was positioned in a tower (~14') deer stand on the property line with Bilby's neighbor immediately to the west of his 80 acres in the creek bottom DJ observed what appeared to be a person in a black garment/coat approaching from the west making a line that would take his path ~200 yards to the south of his position. 

DJ watched the progress of this being through his rifle scope for almost a hundred yards....

DJ stated the BF/SF was approximately 6.5' in height with a rather slight build and walked in somewhat of a stooped posture with a noticeable humped over appearance in the upper back area.  Also, the arms were noticeably long, carried in a straight fashion and not bent at the elbow.  The body hair covering resembled a dark shaggy coat....

[Teufelwald]

Howdy Y'all 

I don't know anymore than what I have put in my encounter report.  If you have a specific question about one of my encounters ask me?

I have quoted only a small portion of your post.  The entire post is above for the reading.

I do have some questions about the specifics of your encounter(s).  I stated in my above post that, based on your first encounter, we could conclude that bigfeet are strong--strong enough to depress the rear of a car.  After I posted, I began to have doubts that you said that the rear of the car was depressed.  My question is this: Did the dark form that you saw just hit the back of the car or did he push it down?  Does what he did to the car indicate that he was a critter of considerable strength or not--if you recall?

Another question: Could you discern any details--you reported seeing a dark form--about whatever it was that you encountered while parked in the car?  Color?  Hair?  Anything else.

These questions are directed at your first encounter.  I have more questions about your second encounter that I will post after you reply, hopefully, to the questions on the first encounter.  I feel that it would be better if we don't intermix the two encounters in our discussion(s).

Thanks for responding.

I found this picture on the net and adjusted the light to what it was in my 1985 ftf encounter....what you see in this pic is pretty much how I saw it....accept the hair looked more shaggier....the creatures height was somewhere around 7ft.....time.....sunset!

[pattymac]

Thanks that helps a lot to have some sort of visual aid. I don't have a very good imagination.

[Ray Ford]

Telahnay's G'son and Teufelwald,

Thanks for the above posts--and glad to hear from Pattymac.

It seems to me that the most important thing that Teufelwald's encounters indicate is that bigfeet may well be territorial--that they are jealous of their territory.  While I indicated in an above post that the second encounter may have indicated curiousity, I, after hearing from Teu about the hostility of the critter,  think less that the critter was curious and checking Teu out and think more that the critter was asserting his territorial rights.  Since urination is a common way of marking territory, he may have thought that Teu was doing that and showed himself to counter the intruder.  And, in the first encounter, the critter may have been expressing his displeasure at Teu's presence.

Then there is the matter of variations in form--in physical appearance.

See my post above date 4/24.

[Ray Ford]

On April 25, I posted about hearing what sounded like bipedal footsteps in Spencer Creek near Oolagah Lake in Oklahoma.  It can be read above.  The other incident in Spencer Creek bottom, about which I have previously posted, occurred at the first of the 2007 deer season.  Again, it was the sound of bipedal footsteps.

Telahnay' G'son and I had gone across Corps of Engineers land to a more or less open 40-acre tract on which we had permission to hunt.  I located in the timber line on the south edge of the open field.  T's.g. walked north through the timber on the east edge of the field.  Sometime after he left, I heard footsteps in the ground cover that sounded bipedal.  The sound lasted only a few moments--only long enough for whatever was making the sound to travel something between 25 to 50 feet.  I was wearing a pull-over knit cap with a face opening and had the hood of my hunting coat up over that--so the sounded seemed to come from in front of me.  But there was nothing in front of me that I could see.  When the sound stopped, I looked around, but I could not see anything.

I don't know if what was making the sound was a bigfoot, and, if it was, I don't know what I might have learned from the encounter.  That they are stealthy?

I was something less than a mile from where I heard the steps in the water.

[#59]

Under the auspices of knowledge and to illustrate how inaccurate some folks can be with their info:

There's a thread (on another site) regarding a question on whether the recent floods/high water have had a significant impact upon BF/SF activity in our area.  The question concerned an area on/near the Neosho river in SE Kansas.

One respondent remarked about said river flowing into Oologah reservoir and also how BF activity has ran off the waterfowl hunters on the upper end of this lake.

First, the main tributary to Oolagah reservoir is the Verdigris river as the Neosho river flows into another reservoir ~50 miles away and the duck hunting on the upper end has not ceased in intensity for any reason other than on days when the birds aren't flying.

The value information posted often has to be weighed by the credibility/history of accuracy of the poster (he has lived near Oologah reservoir for ~20 years) and sometimes heavy grains of salt are required.

[#59]

The following is an excerpt from p. 251-252 in Thom Powell's book, The Locals and is presented incontext of the discussion of why certain rural people have had experiences and even interactions with SF while others apparently have no events occur whatsoever...

"It should come as no particular surprise, then, to suggest that the best way to attract a sasquatch is to project a slightly "earthy" image in the way homesteaders live on their rural acerage.

What we characterize as an "earth" perspective is really nothing more than a newer version of that which the Native Americans have always embodied.  So, to be fair, it may be more correct to describe the attitude and lifestyle as Native American and this is really the most telling description of all, since it points sasquatch researchers firmly in the direction of Native Americans when we search for answers to the question of what is really going on with the sasquatch enigma.  I don't have all of the answers to the sasquatch enigma but I do have a pretty good idea of who understands it better than anyone else and that is our Native American brethern.  Unfortunately, they seem none too interested in sharing the information with us.  Perhaps they would counter that statement by saying that we have shown no particular interest in hearing what they had to share on the subject, and if they did tell us, we probably would not believe what they had to say about the phenomenon."

That, my friends is the crux of the entire matter.  IF, you are fortunate enough to be privy to the real deal info of the NA perspective held by many of them, you will in all likelihood walk away with an entirely different perspective and mindset than that which you held beforehand.