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[#59]

What he forgot to mention though Bill, is that the cameras were not placed on someone else's land, and if he has knowledge of where they are located at, then that makes him an accessory to knowingly concealing stolen property.  I made a copy of this and forwarded it to the appropriate authorities, who will more than likely like to ask him of his involvement now that he has posted this on the internet.   

Too late Inspector Cleaseau, as the landowners have already apprised Rogers county SO of their find.  I also understand there's a pic (of someone we know and love) that was taken apparently while the camera(s) were being installed that has been developed by the landowners.  From what I understand it clearly delinates the background which shows exactly where the cameras were affixed.

[darkwinglh]

Well what cracks me up about this situation is this, this is clearly a boundary dispute between adjacent landowners that has no interest on bigfoot research and you continue to bring it up here.  I've seen where the surveyor stakes are on this disputed area, and your so-called friend's fence is clearly on Bulletmaker's side of the line.  So why don't we just stop harping on this subject over and over again as you seem intent on bringing it up continuously and see you post something about your research? 

[#59]

Well what cracks me up about this situation is this, this is clearly a boundary dispute between adjacent landowners that has no interest on bigfoot research and you continue to bring it up here.  I've seen where the surveyor stakes are on this disputed area, and your so-called friend's fence is clearly on Bulletmaker's side of the line.  So why don't we just stop harping on this subject over and over again as you seem intent on bringing it up continuously and see you post something about your research? 

SO...you're saying that because of this "boundary dispute" you, et. al. were justified in trespassing onto BM's neighbor's property and affixing camera(s) where they were discovered by said when checking the fenceline for damage after the ice storm?

The so-called boundary dispute between BM and his neighbor to the north was resolved years ago as I've seen those stakes as well and the fence (that was cut) is clearly on the proper line.  Heck, that's why the survey markers are running down the middle of the "road" (EW34) which seperate BM's half (the impassable north side) from his neighbor's half on the south side. 

Also, I disagree this has nothing to do with your so-called BF Research as trespassing is against the law and pretending to be justified in doing so in the name of research is a dawg that won't hunt.

There appears to be absolutely no semblance of scientific method, protocols, rigor & process, chain of custody, etc. with any of your so-called BF research and to claim your "efforts" as such is (IMHO) as bogus as a three dollar bill.

I do not pretend to be engaged in such activities and so your consternation with my lack of your version of "research" is well...your problem.

[darkwinglh]

Well, as for trespassing, lots of room there to talk John, how many times have you trespassed on or threatened to trespass on Bullet's property.  I would say half the threads you've posted here have gave some the impression that you do it on a weekly basis.

As far as research goes, you have no idea of what we do in the background as fas as chain of custody and so on, so don't try to make yourself out to be an expert on us like you have in the past.  The MABRC has far exceeded other groups when it comes to documentation now, and policies and procedures govern our investigations.

We also have biologists and primatologists in the MABRC now, along with other highly specialized technicians and folks, that have taken us to the next level in research. 

I do believe I have posted more Bigfoot related material on this forum within the short time I have been here than you have since it's inception.  And at least I don't have to go back and continue posting about something that happened 4 or 5 years ago.

All this fighting that you keep trying to stir up here and at other forums has turned off quite a few folks from even coming here, I just can't figure out why you continue to do it? 

[#59]

Well, as for trespassing, lots of room there to talk John, how many times have you trespassed on or threatened to trespass on Bullet's property.  I would say half the threads you've posted here have gave some the impression that you do it on a weekly basis.

I have never trespassed upon BM's property and you well know that fact.  To imply otherwise is only indicative of the bad faith behavior you have exhibited from day one.

As far as research goes, you have no idea of what we do in the background as fas as chain of custody and so on, so don't try to make yourself out to be an expert on us like you have in the past.  The MABRC has far exceeded other groups when it comes to documentation now, and policies and procedures govern our investigations.

I take it that "method" also includes posting up pictures (Google Earth & photographs) of people's personal residence(s) replete with derogatory remarks?

We also have biologists and primatologists in the MABRC now, along with other highly specialized technicians and folks, that have taken us to the next level in research. 

I do believe I have posted more Bigfoot related material on this forum within the short time I have been here than you have since it's inception.  And at least I don't have to go back and continue posting about something that happened 4 or 5 years ago.

IMHO, 99.44% of the "BF material" you've furnished to-date has a certain odor.

All this fighting that you keep trying to stir up here and at other forums has turned off quite a few folks from even coming here, I just can't figure out why you continue to do it? 

Darren, the fact your website has been a facilitation venue for a myriad of personal attacks and downright endangering people's personal safety is a matter of record and I'm not going to argue any further as your actions speak for themseves.

[darkwinglh]

John,
My website hasn't had any attacks on you in well over a year and you know it, this so called fight you want to keep going is mainly centered here on this forum.  Anyone that goes to the MABRC Forum can see that clearly for themselves. 

As for what I posted, I posted Bigfoot related information, that I think probably half the membership here was glad to see finally get posted.  Something you need to realize, it's the job and responsibility of the Admins and MODs of a forum to post information that is in line with the forum, to help it grow.  You criticize everyone here, and neglect to post anything of relation to bigfoot research or study, using this forum strictly as a base to attack anyone you hate. 

As for the boundary line, the one in question is at Rattlesnake Canyon, and is not what you think it is.  The fence was moved 30 feet over onto Bullet's property on top of the cliff, and it's been moved countless times to the right place.

And as for the fact of trespassing, you live in a fantasy world if you don't think everyone knows you have been on Bullet's property, you leave little room for the imagination on that just from your posts here.  Talking about going up Spencer Creek because there is a camera sale going on, knowing full well, you meant you were talking about going up and stealing DO's cameras on Bullet's property. 

[#59]

John,
My website hasn't had any attacks on you in well over a year and you know it, this so called fight you want to keep going is mainly centered here on this forum.  Anyone that goes to the MABRC Forum can see that clearly for themselves. 

Since March of 2008...how many months is that?

As for what I posted, I posted Bigfoot related information, that I think probably half the membership here was glad to see finally get posted.  Something you need to realize, it's the job and responsibility of the Admins and MODs of a forum to post information that is in line with the forum, to help it grow.  You criticize everyone here, and neglect to post anything of relation to bigfoot research or study, using this forum strictly as a base to attack anyone you hate. 

As for the boundary line, the one in question is at Rattlesnake Canyon, and is not what you think it is.  The fence was moved 30 feet over onto Bullet's property on top of the cliff, and it's been moved countless times to the right place.

If you're relying upon BM's word to validate that position...it has clay feet.

And as for the fact of trespassing, you live in a fantasy world if you don't think everyone knows you have been on Bullet's property, you leave little room for the imagination on that just from your posts here.  Talking about going up Spencer Creek because there is a camera sale going on, knowing full well, you meant you were talking about going up and stealing DO's cameras on Bullet's property. 

And, you have evidence/proof to validate any of these allegations?  Remember, I'm not the one with felony convictions for stealing.

[darkwinglh]

John,
My website hasn't had any attacks on you in well over a year and you know it, this so called fight you want to keep going is mainly centered here on this forum.  Anyone that goes to the MABRC Forum can see that clearly for themselves. 

Since March of 2008...how many months is that?

But you do admit that there hasn't been any attacks against you in that time period.  From March.  Yet you continue to bash from here, so that at least shows who won't let it die now.      You can't let it die.

As for what I posted, I posted Bigfoot related information, that I think probably half the membership here was glad to see finally get posted.  Something you need to realize, it's the job and responsibility of the Admins and MODs of a forum to post information that is in line with the forum, to help it grow.  You criticize everyone here, and neglect to post anything of relation to bigfoot research or study, using this forum strictly as a base to attack anyone you hate. 

As for the boundary line, the one in question is at Rattlesnake Canyon, and is not what you think it is.  The fence was moved 30 feet over onto Bullet's property on top of the cliff, and it's been moved countless times to the right place.

If you're relying upon BM's word to validate that position...it has clay feet.

Even the layout of the county assessor's office that you like to roll out every now and then shows that the boundary line is right where Bullet says it is.

And as for the fact of trespassing, you live in a fantasy world if you don't think everyone knows you have been on Bullet's property, you leave little room for the imagination on that just from your posts here.  Talking about going up Spencer Creek because there is a camera sale going on, knowing full well, you meant you were talking about going up and stealing DO's cameras on Bullet's property. 

And, you have evidence/proof to validate any of these allegations?  Remember, I'm not the one with felony convictions for stealing.

Any proof?  Your own words as posted elsewhere on this forum shows your intent.  And just because someone doesn't have any convictions against them does not mean they are not capable of committing crimes themselves.

[boogum]

Any comment on whether you and yours are pro kill or no kill?

[#59]

John,
My website hasn't had any attacks on you in well over a year and you know it, this so called fight you want to keep going is mainly centered here on this forum.  Anyone that goes to the MABRC Forum can see that clearly for themselves. 

Since March of 2008...how many months is that?

But you do admit that there hasn't been any attacks against you in that time period.  From March.  Yet you continue to bash from here, so that at least shows who won't let it die now.      You can't let it die.

As for what I posted, I posted Bigfoot related information, that I think probably half the membership here was glad to see finally get posted.  Something you need to realize, it's the job and responsibility of the Admins and MODs of a forum to post information that is in line with the forum, to help it grow.  You criticize everyone here, and neglect to post anything of relation to bigfoot research or study, using this forum strictly as a base to attack anyone you hate. 

As for the boundary line, the one in question is at Rattlesnake Canyon, and is not what you think it is.  The fence was moved 30 feet over onto Bullet's property on top of the cliff, and it's been moved countless times to the right place.

If you're relying upon BM's word to validate that position...it has clay feet.

Even the layout of the county assessor's office that you like to roll out every now and then shows that the boundary line is right where Bullet says it is.

Yep, and that's right where the fence is located as well.

And as for the fact of trespassing, you live in a fantasy world if you don't think everyone knows you have been on Bullet's property, you leave little room for the imagination on that just from your posts here.  Talking about going up Spencer Creek because there is a camera sale going on, knowing full well, you meant you were talking about going up and stealing DO's cameras on Bullet's property. 

And, you have evidence/proof to validate any of these allegations?  Remember, I'm not the one with felony convictions for stealing.

Any proof?  Your own words as posted elsewhere on this forum shows your intent.  And just because someone doesn't have any convictions against them does not mean they are not capable of committing crimes themselves.

Intent has no relevance here as I never conveyed such to anyone in that I "intended" to trespass nor did I actually so so.  However, with an biased and overactive imagination I can see where such people would go off on a tangent.

You appear to be confusing attacks with pointing out the facts in many instances.  As y'all hold yourselves out to be the premier BF researchers it is only appropriate that a critical analysis be implemented to maintain transparency and validity of your claims.  Going turtle on your website does not contribute anything toward those attributes and in fact, makes you look a little bit more than sophomoric.

IMHO, the big question all so-called BF "researchers" should be required to answer (in front everyone with total honesty & candor) is WHY do you want to "prove" the existence of BF?[/color]

[darkwinglh]

Any comment on whether you and yours are pro kill or no kill?

The MABRC as a group holds to a neutral position, each member has a right to their own choice on that front.

[#59]

Well, as for trespassing, lots of room there to talk John, how many times have you trespassed on or threatened to trespass on Bullet's property.  I would say half the threads you've posted here have gave some the impression that you do it on a weekly basis.

As far as research goes, you have no idea of what we do in the background as fas as chain of custody and so on, so don't try to make yourself out to be an expert on us like you have in the past.  The MABRC has far exceeded other groups when it comes to documentation now, and policies and procedures govern our investigations.

We also have biologists and primatologists in the MABRC now, along with other highly specialized technicians and folks, that have taken us to the next level in research. 

I do believe I have posted more Bigfoot related material on this forum within the short time I have been here than you have since it's inception.  And at least I don't have to go back and continue posting about something that happened 4 or 5 years ago.

Don't forget to include all of the sockpuppet postings as well...Todk, et. al..

All this fighting that you keep trying to stir up here and at other forums has turned off quite a few folks from even coming here, I just can't figure out why you continue to do it? 

[darkwinglh]

Don't forget to include all of the sockpuppet postings as well...Todk, et. al..

Yeah, I remember you accusing me of being Todtkaufman, but let me say this, after your vicious PMs to him, he came to the MABRC and turned over his family's property to us to research.  I was not any sockpuppet over here, unlike you down at the Alabama forum, trying to hide who you are there.

And if you want to play the ISP game, you need to be aware that Windstream is the ISP for most of this area, including Todtkaufman's area.  PumpkinHollow is someone else, I actually know who it is, and it's not anyone you would claim it is.

Bottom line, you are grasping at straws on that one.

[#59]

Don't forget to include all of the sockpuppet postings as well...Todk, et. al..

Yeah, I remember you accusing me of being Todtkaufman, but let me say this, after your vicious PMs to him, he came to the MABRC and turned over his family's property to us to research.  I was not any sockpuppet over here, unlike you down at the Alabama forum, trying to hide who you are there.

And if you want to play the ISP game, you need to be aware that Windstream is the ISP for most of this area, including Todtkaufman's area.  PumpkinHollow is someone else, I actually know who it is, and it's not anyone you would claim it is.

Bottom line, you are grasping at straws on that one.

Your buddy, Buck Shot made the same allegation...right before he was banned from the Alabama BF forum:


I doubt that the Alabama Forum has a glitch in it that wouldn't allow you to use Telahnay's g'son.  Their forum system is about the same as all of the others.  Nice try.

From the Alabama BF forum...

Nokosee

After looking into this, it was plain to see what was happening.

You made no attempt to hide your identity when you first joined this forum. You even posted about who you where and what name you usually post under. You stated that Nokosee is a word used by of one of the Native American tribes, that means bear.

The forum would not take your usual name because of the punctuation.

To the former member..I have but one thing to say. The rules: The use of this forum for your own private agenda, no matter what it maybe, is forbidden.

The Admin.  *

* From the "New Trend Developing" thread located on this site.

But then again, YOU were banned from that site for sockpuppetry as well.    

[#59]

We are planning on another trip to the area this weekend bowhunting, observing and riding fence for the landowners.