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[Ray Ford]

Got a fresh batch of blackberries picked.  Anyone for cobbler?

T's.g., if you got those berries where I think that you got them, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.  You probably deprived at least 21 bigfeet of a food source and possibly caused them to go hungry--maybe starve to death.  This is a worse stunt, picking those blackberries that God intended for bigfeet, than what you did to the squirrels.  I'm recalling that time that you gathered up all the acorns from under the oak trees and caused that massive die off of reds and grays.

I just don't understand why you do stuff like that.

[#59]

Got a fresh batch of blackberries picked.  Anyone for cobbler?

T's.g., if you got those berries where I think that you got them, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.  You probably deprived at least 21 bigfeet of a food source and possibly caused them to go hungry--maybe starve to death.  This is a worse stunt, picking those blackberries that God intended for bigfeet, than what you did to the squirrels.  I'm recalling that time that you gathered up all the acorns from under the oak trees and caused that massive die off of reds and grays.

I just don't understand why you do stuff like that.

The devil made me do it! 

[Ray Ford]

Got a fresh batch of blackberries picked.  Anyone for cobbler?

T's.g., if you got those berries where I think that you got them, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.  You probably deprived at least 21 bigfeet of a food source and possibly caused them to go hungry--maybe starve to death.  This is a worse stunt, picking those blackberries that God intended for bigfeet, than what you did to the squirrels.  I'm recalling that time that you gathered up all the acorns from under the oak trees and caused that massive die off of reds and grays.

I just don't understand why you do stuff like that.

The devil made me do it! 

All right, Flip.

There is only one person or entity that gets blamed for more stuff that he isn't responsible for than the Devil: God.

[#59]

IF....I wind up with bullet holes in me...first place to look...

bullet maker « Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 am »   specially those that come up the creek in boats,

bullet maker « Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:40 am »   well got to go,,,got to get online and search for some filters. there for a table top air cleaner. they want 50.00 at wally world, I dont want to pay that much. LOL. Why that`d be a keg of gun powder for me. LOL. To shoot repassers with. hahaha

This dude sure has a fixation upon shooting at folks.

[#59]

tg. Heh, Sounds like ya were trespassing again. POWDERMAN. 

That is an extraordinarily ignorant accusation you have made.  What basis for proof do you have?  What evidence do you possess?  Rest assured had I actually broken any laws your mentor would've had every facet of LE and probably even the USMC on me.  The fact of the matter is that LE had already told him he has NO cause for action.  Your reckless assertions paint you in the same light as those you adore and IMHO make any comments you henceforth utter carry the same significance as material found on the ground in a hog confinement.

[#59]

IF....I wind up with bullet holes in me...first place to look...

bullet maker « Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 am »   specially those that come up the creek in boats,

bullet maker « Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:40 am »   well got to go,,,got to get online and search for some filters. there for a table top air cleaner. they want 50.00 at wally world, I dont want to pay that much. LOL. Why that`d be a keg of gun powder for me. LOL. To shoot repassers with. hahaha

This dude sure has a fixation upon shooting at folks.

tg. You posted more stuff from another board again, about Bullrt Maker shooting trespassers, also said to  we'd know where to look if you turned up full of holes. You said it, not me. Going to work now. POWDERMAN. 

And, your point is

[Ray Ford]

Powder,

One thing that you may not be well aware of is that Bulletmaker doesn't confine his attitude to people on his land but seems to want to control adjoining Corps of Engineers/Public land.  While Telahnay's G'son aggravates him, BM has no right to attempt to keep people from using surrounding public and private land.

Incidentally, a person is NOT trespassing, not legally, until he is told to leave and refuses--if what I have been told is correct.  And it is illegal to defend property with deadly force: you may only use deadly force if you or someone else is personally threatened with bodily harm. 

We have a make-my-day law in Oklahoma:
a person can shoot someone breaking into their house on the assumption of danger. 
We have a stand-your-ground law in Oklahoma:
a person is not required to flee a threat and be overtaken.
We have a concealed-carry law in Oklahoma.
I carry most of the time.
But I am well aware that the circumstances of my shooting someone better be right.
The circumstances must support my assumption of personal danger.
Shoot an unarmed 10- or 12-year-old kid in your garage, or even your living room?
It better not be obvious that you KNEW that you were in no personal danger.

Shoot someone that you have previously threatened?  Repeatedly?
I wouldn't.

I have carried a gun most of my life.
I have a concealed carry.
But I have no intention of shooting anyone.
Not unless it is absolutely necessary.
 

[#59]

RAY. Sounds like our laws are similar. But, you can be charged with trespassing here without telling the person to leave, it happened last summer. I had a jerk here over 20 years ago that I caught planting pot on my place. I ran him off several times. The last time I caught him I never said a word. I was upstairs with my mini 14. I plowed up the ground all around him, some were pretty close. He never bothered me again, nobody else has either. I wouldn't shoot anybody for simply trespassing, but he didn't know that. POWDERMAN. 

OMG...Charlie, I'm not aware of the statutes in Kentucky on this type of behavior but here in Oklahoma you could've been hauled up on 2-3 felony counts.  No wonder you support BM's "sound shot" and  shooting at "trespasser"  postulations. 

[#59]

Powder,

One thing that you may not be well aware of is that Bulletmaker doesn't confine his attitude to people on his land but seems to want to control adjoining Corps of Engineers/Public land.  While Telahnay's G'son aggravates him, BM has no right to attempt to keep people from using surrounding public and private land.

Incidentally, a person is NOT trespassing, not legally, until he is told to leave and refuses--if what I have been told is correct.  And it is illegal to defend property with deadly force: you may only use deadly force if you or someone else is personally threatened with bodily harm. 

We have a make-my-day law in Oklahoma:
a person can shoot someone bearking into their house on the assumption of danger. 
We have a stand-your-ground law in Oklahoma:
a person is not required to flee a threat and be overtaken.
We have a concealed-carry law in Oklahoma.
I carry most of the time.
But I am well aware that the circumstances of my shooting someone better be right:
The circumstances must support my assumption of personal danger.
Shoot an unarmed 10- or 12-year-old kid in your garage, or even your living room?
It better not be obvious that you KNEW that you were in no personal danger.

Shoot someone that you have previously threatened?  Repeatedly?
I wouldn't.

I have carried a gun most of my life.
I have a concealed carry.
But I have no intention of shooting anyone.
Not unless it is absolutely necessary.
 

driveroperator « Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:43 am »   Hey bullet, I was watching a show about stalkers last night. JP came to mind. His obsession with stalking you blinds him to what is reasonable. 

bullet maker « Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:31 am »   got to go, nice morning to go down to the creek and have target practice towards publick hunting. .....bam....bambam...bam...IS THAT A BOAT? 

I was watching this show about felons last night and guess who came to mind....?

Of course, I don't show up on people's front porch and terrorize their spouse and minor child either.  Maybe I'm just not that "obsessed" after all?  BAPD asked if I wanted to press charges (after their investigation was completed) as they indicated it was good to go...maybe I should reconsider? 

[Ray Ford]

This is an example of how a thread can take a turn....

Just one comment:  One of the reasons that I think that we should be very, very, very RESPONSIBLE in how we use our guns is that IRRESPONSIBLE uses of guns can cost us the right to have guns.  Any and every mis-use of a gun provides ammunition for those who want to ban private gun ownership.

Telahnay's G'son is right about Powder's use of the Mini 14: in Oklahoma, just pointing a gun at a person is a felony, and, in Oklahoma, firing the gun would probably result in an assualt-with-a-deadly-weapon charge--I think.  I do, however, sympatize with Powder's actions: I might have been tempted to do the same thing--but I wouldn't have.

One of the disturbing things, to me, about some of the stuff that has been posted is that some of it seems to suggest that people are shooting, intentionally or irresponsibly, at things that they have not clearly identified.  One of the first rules of hunting is that the target be clearly visible and certainly identified before the finger goes into the trigger guard.

Bulletmaker has warned ME that one of his lease hunters might take me out while I was on Corps of Engineers land "thinking that I was a deer."  (I took it as a clear threat.)  He has made such statements often enough, I understand, that, if I was one of his lease hunters, I wouldn't go near one of his stands--stands that look out on adjoining public and private property.  If a real accident happened, it might be hard to convince the Rogers County Sheriff and District Attorney that it was, in fact, an accident.

 

[#59]

tgs. Never said it was legal, just effective. If I had shot AT him, he'd of been dead. Back then we had very little law enforcement out here where I live. We had a lot of trouble on our road from drunks, thieves, etc. A neighbor and I got together and cleaned house ourselves, usually at gunpoint.  Again, not legal, but highly effective. HEH, I see you're STILL posting from another board. Don't you have anything original?? POWDERMAN. 

Well, it is time for another boat ride...this Saturday AM.

[#59]

tg. Last night I got an email asking me to join an elite group of folks, gave me a password, or coded word to get me into a part of that other board not open to, or can even be seen by the public, said they were being very select about their group, I feel honored. After I got there I found that a couple of folks were asking questions about you, and boy, they got some answers. I found out your real name, address, phone #, a link to your business. Saw pics of your house, vehicle, and a lot of comments about you. In one pic there was a guy standing at your door, apparently knocking, but you musta been in the shower cause you didn't answer the door, even though you had invited him over 5 or 6 times. I don't know how to cut and paste, wouldn't if I could, cause it wouldn't be ethical to put your personal info in a public forum. The best part was that these guys are into some really intense BF research, hi tech so to speak. I believe it's just a matter of time til they produce solid evidence of a real bigfoot. All of them have experience in this and I really believe that they will be able to prove the existence of BF to the world. Wish them luck. Going to work now, make sure you take a good paddle up that creek, ya might run outa gas.  POWDERMAN. 

Charlie,

I don't know how "select" that elite group of your new buds are but hope you have a great time in such a circle jerk.  BTW, with all the "info" they gave you I certainly hope you now have an appreciation of what it feels to be stalked as how do you think they gained said info?

BTW, they did post my personal info on several public venues but apparently quickly took it down once LE became involved.

Also, not to worry about me running outa gas as I keep a lot of various items in the boat.  

[Ray Ford]

tg. Last night I got an email asking me to join an elite group of folks, gave me a password, or coded word to get me into a part of that other board not open to, or can even be seen by the public, said they were being very select about their group, I feel honored.

Powder,

Are you sure that "honored" is the right word to use?  How about "used."
If I were you, I'd be careful about what I believed.
If I were you, I'd be careful about what I passed on.

An "elite group" that no one outside the group can see and respond to?
That sounds like a group that can't stand up to scrutiny.

About that guy at T's.g.'s door, my understanding of what went down is this:
The guy approached the door from a car driven by another person who waited with the car's motor running.
(Doesn't sound like he planned to be there long enough to "settle" anything.)
A picture was taken while he was at the door.
He quickly retreated to the waiting car and made his escape.
T's.g. was in the backyard cleaning up brush with a chainsaw: he was unaware the person was at the door.
And that was probably a good thing.
I wasn't there.
And that was probably a good thing: I can't say much for him, but I'm kinda fond of T's.g.'s wife and daughter.

I don't hold too high of an opinion of your "elite group of folks" or their site.
I was kicked off that site after challenging some of the stuff posted there.
I felt honored when that happened.

BTW, when scrutinized, bullshit--that's a good theological word that I borrowed from Bill--usually shows up to be bullshit.

[Ray Ford]

Speaking of BS:

If I told you that a group, of which I was a part, held an organized bigfoot hunt, and if I told you that some eight bigfeet probed the perimeter of the camp, and If I told you that no tracks were seen or other evidence of their presence obtained, would that qualify as BS--bigfoot scat?

If I told you that a live-feed camera was pointed at a berry patch, and if I told you that some 21 bigfeet were seen by "researchers," including myself, watching the feed, and if I could produce no track pictures/casts or other evidence of their presence, would that qualify as BS--bigfoot scat?

[Bill]

Yup Ray that sure sounds like a load of BS to me. But me thinks it sounds more like bovine than bigfoot scat.

I've watched most every bigfoot show that's been on TV, read posts on many (likely not all) of the various bigfoot sites on the internet, heard/read stories of them in magazines and supposedly first hand accounts of sightings. I admit I do find it interesting to read/hear such stories from folks claiming first hand experience with them. But in all honesty I believe the sci-fi shows on TV about them to have at least as much validity as the rest. Heck they have really good track evidence and even get a lot of camera time of the real critters on those shows.

I dunno what folks are seeing but I suspect strongly it's induced by their mind meaning they see what they want to see not because it's there but because the mind plays tricks on the eyes and cause them to see that which they seek to find. It's why so many folks get shot for game when the shooter claims he KNEW it was the target game animal and that some how after the trigger was pulled it morphed into a human. If you want to see something badly enough the mind and eyes play tricks on ya and deliver that which you seek.

I don't truly believe there is a factual case of sighting of a REAL BIGFOOT recorded anywhere. Why? Cuz the danged things are a figment of a bunch of folks imaginations that's why. I guess it's why folks like John and his antagonists are mostly posting stuff about each other. They (John and his antagonists) actually do exist and thus can be sighted and even photographed and have in fact been and that photographic evidence is out there to proof it. So in order to have something tangible to talk about they have to talk about, at and to each other.

If the critters really existed by now someone would have provided tangible proof of that existense. All bigfoot sites (yeah to include this one) are merely places where folks can fuel their desires for such to exist and talk about them must like folks talk about ghosts and how space aliens drop in all the time and take folks on rides in their space ships. Hell it's good entertainment but it's fiction and should be taken as such not seriously. I reckon folks who believe in such also believe those wrestling matches are for real too.

I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd love to see evidence that such a creature exists. I'm willing to accept the presence of all those critters (bigfoot, ghosts, space aliens, etc) if someone can render some real world evidence but no one has cuz no one can cuz quite simply it's all fiction.

I've payed the bucks and set this site up for anyone in the whole wide world to come to and read/post and talk about their experiences with bigfoot and even have tossed in a place for them to talk about things like ghosts, orbs and space aliens too if they wanna. So far all the entire "bigfoot researchers"  in the world have come forth and present squat for evidence.

This site is open to everyone I don't care who. The rules are pretty darn few and no one is banned here. The few who once were have been reinstated. Ya can all piss and moan, cuss and fuss, argue, call each other names or whatever the hell ya want I really don't even care anymore. I've reached the conclusion that's really all any of the "bigfoot researchers"  have to do anyway cuz there ain't no bigfoot creatures to see or hunt or kill or photograph so it seems all ya really have to talk about are each other.

That's why pretty much everone outside the few who wish to call themselves "bigfoot researchers"  consider the entire community of bigfoot chasers to be such a joke. If ya really want to be taken seriously then get serious. You can't be taken seriously if you're not serious yourself. If you want to be a "bigfoot researchers"  then get off your ass and get out and do some searching. Ya can't RE-SEARCH until ya first search. Quit faking and hoaxing and lying and making up shit about bigfoot and actually do what real researchers in any other field actually do. Lots of critters have been reported by locals and have been researched over the years. Some actually turned out to have some basis of fact behind them and those who took a scientific approach and actually did their home work verified it. Snow Leapords are a good example. Once thought no more than a myth such as bigfoot but I've seen a full length feature movie on their life thru out an entire year cuz someone was serious about finding one and got out there and did it rather than sit on their ass in from of a computer talking about other snow leapord hunters.

If bigfoot folks want to be taken seriously then they need to get serious and start talking about what they are ACTUALLY DOING in that regard rathegr than talking about each other. How the hell do you expect to be taken seriously if all you can talk about is each other? 

I really don't give a rat's ass if this site makes it or doesn't. It's here for folks who really want to discuss what they feel are real creatures to talk about them. If you'd rather just shoot the shit about each other that too is OK really as that seems to be about all bigfoot folks do anyway. I really don't care entertain yourselves cuz it's pretty clear folks who wannabe bigfoot researchers  really have nothing to research but each other anyway.

BTW here is the URL for a video of a snow leapord. Now show me yours of a bigfoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpbIjUKt6wY