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Ray Ford
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« on: April 21, 2009, 01:08:39 PM »

Slappy,

These sites are proprietary; that is, they are owned by someone.  Darren Lee owns MABRC.  Bill Graham owns BFS.
As owners of the sites, they have almost unlimited proprietary rights--as long as it stays within the law--to do what ever the want to do on their sites.

I've had my experience with MABRC and Darren--and Randy and Bulletmaker and whoever.  I registered at MABRC and did some posting there.  When Darren posted about his "research site" being despoiled by persons described by "locals" as a little white guy and an Indian in a silver-grey pickup, obviously meaning John Phillips and Steve Sommers (sp?), I posted the question, How did the locals who supposedly saw these two know that John was an Indian since he, like me, doesn't appear that much to be one?  I don't recall the details of the subsequent posts, one or more by Randy, but when I attempted to post replies to attacks, Darren's moderator locked the thread.  When I objected, I think by PM, to not being allowed to respond to the somewhat nasty posts, I was banned.  And the original question was never answered!!!  Darren's failure to answer the question told me, and everyone else, more than he would have.

What I'm saying is that I have experienced something like what you have--if I get the drift of your posts correctly.  I'm not, however, spending any of my time trying to vindicate myself.  It isn't that important.  And I think that you should attempt to "bring closure" to your experience and not waste time trying to vindicate yourself.  I was, btw, reinstated on MABRC.  I just checked to see if I could still log in there, and I can. 

The kind of exchanges that we keep having, although they do elicit posts, probably drive away more posters than any site can stand to have driven away.  Forget Darren Lee and MABRC, do some posting here on other subjects, and let's enjoy ourselves.  I'm not saying that you are vindictive, but you sound vindictive in your posts.  I've made the mistake of being vindictive, but vengence belongs to God, not to us.  I can't remember where I read that, but I did read it somewhere. Wink 

Speaking of other subjects, Darren has posted some pictures of track casts indentified as made by bigfeet.  Some of those pictures showed casts of tracks that were very human looking--elongated and showing an arch and other details.  Others were of casts of tracks that were not human looking--shorter, wider, boxier and not showing much detail.  If I recall my post correctly, I observed that the first group looked like a very large human track and that the second group looked as though they might have been make with something like an inflated balloon.  There was very little if any ridge detail.  I asked Darren, pointing that I was unaware of any species that left two different types of tracks, Are there two different types of bigfeet?  I never got an answer to that question either--but Darren has the right to not answer my questions and to not answer yours.  So does Bill.

What do you think about those different types of casts?
Are some hoaxes?
Which ones, in your opinion?
Are there two types of bigfeet?
Is it possible that one comes from a young bigfoot while the other comes from an older one?
Are they all hoaxes?
Are we out there having fun looking for a "rural myth"--a first cousin to an "urban myth."

Bye, at least for now, folks. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 01:14:25 PM »

In my opinion ALL bigfoot track casts are either misidentifications or hoaxes.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 03:54:38 PM »

Slappy,

These sites are proprietary; that is, they are owned by someone.  Darren Lee owns MABRC.  Bill Graham owns BFS.
As owners of the sites, they have almost unlimited proprietary rights--as long as it stays within the law--to do what ever the want to do on their sites.

I've had my experience with MABRC and Darren--and Randy and Bulletmaker and whoever.  I registered at MABRC and did some posting there.  When Darren posted about his "research site" being despoiled by persons described by "locals" as a little white guy and an Indian in a silver-grey pickup, obviously meaning John Phillips and Steve Sommers (sp?), I posted the question, How did the locals who supposedly saw these two know that John was an Indian since he, like me, doesn't appear that much to be one?  I don't recall the details of the subsequent posts, one or more by Randy, but when I attempted to post replies to attacks, Darren's moderator locked the thread.  When I objected, I think by PM, to not being allowed to respond to the somewhat nasty posts, I was banned.  And the original question was never answered!!!  Darren's failure to answer the question told me, and everyone else, more than he would have.

What I'm saying is that I have experienced something like what you have--if I get the drift of your posts correctly.  I'm not, however, spending any of my time trying to vindicate myself.  It isn't that important.  And I think that you should attempt to "bring closure" to your experience and not waste time trying to vindicate yourself.  I was, btw, reinstated on MABRC.  I just checked to see if I could still log in there, and I can. 

The kind of exchanges that we keep having, although they do elicit posts, probably drive away more posters than any site can stand to have driven away.  Forget Darren Lee and MABRC, do some posting here on other subjects, and let's enjoy ourselves.  I'm not saying that you are vindictive, but you sound vindictive in your posts.  I've made the mistake of being vindictive, but vengence belongs to God, not to us.  I can't remember where I read that, but I did read it somewhere. Wink 

Speaking of other subjects, Darren has posted some pictures of track casts indentified as made by bigfeet.  Some of those pictures showed casts of tracks that were very human looking--elongated and showing an arch and other details.  Others were of casts of tracks that were not human looking--shorter, wider, boxier and not showing much detail.  If I recall my post correctly, I observed that the first group looked like a very large human track and that the second group looked as though they might have been make with something like an inflated balloon.  There was very little if any ridge detail.  I asked Darren, pointing that I was unaware of any species that left two different types of tracks, Are there two different types of bigfeet?  I never got an answer to that question either--but Darren has the right to not answer my questions and to not answer yours.  So does Bill.

What do you think about those different types of casts?
Are some hoaxes?
Which ones, in your opinion?
Are there two types of bigfeet?
Is it possible that one comes from a young bigfoot while the other comes from an older one?
Are they all hoaxes?
Are we out there having fun looking for a "rural myth"--a first cousin to an "urban myth."

Bye, at least for now, folks. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Ray, you guys have been very tolerant so I'll happily abide by your wishes and let things be. The point has been made as much as it can be.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 11:49:05 AM »

In my opinion, ALL bigfoot track casts are either misidentifications or hoaxes.

Possibly, but the sad thing is, the entire phenomenon of bigfeet started, I believe, with big tracks in the snow.
And, I have cited tracks, along with reports of sightings by apparently reliable people and references among Native Americans, as reasons that I have allowed the possibility that the do exist.  Maybe not.

Remember, on my "Hunting for Bigfeet" thread, how I posted about finding some tracks in a sandy road by my place in Alfalfa County, Oklahoma, that appeared to be three-toed--not of a bigfoot but of a bobcat.  As I followed them up the road to firmer soil, I realized that there were four toes.  In the sand, the middle two had appeared to be one.  I posted that to illustrate that tracks can distort.

Anyhow....
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 03:56:29 PM »

Tracks can and do distort and as they age change greatly in appearance and if in snow especially grow in size drastically at times when the sun hits them. Tracks made by a man walking in snow after a short while of weathering and having sun shine on them will be far larger than they began and all of a sudden become BIGFOOT tracks to the folks seeing them who want to believe in bigfoot.

To a lesser extent the same applies to soft ground tracks and even from day one tracks in mud appear up to twice the size of the foot that made them.

I often see dog and coyote tracks in the mud up around my barn like that. They will be walking in the muddy areas after a rain and all of a sudden get to a particularly soft area and the size of that track will be double the size of the others in the same set. Same at times when they get to a more solid area from a really soft area the size will be less than it had been.

Reading tracks correctly is becoming a lost art and it's why many folks mistake tracks they see for something they are not.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 09:57:49 AM »

Possibly, but the sad thing is, the entire phenomenon of bigfeet started, I believe, with big tracks in the snow.

Do you mean the Bossburg events in 1969? That was what convinced Dr. Krantz after study of the casts made at the dump.

Ruby Creek, for one, was much earlier (1941), and John Green has a photo of a print dated 1947 taken by Bob Titmus on a utility right-of-way between Eureka and Cottonwood, California.

The track event that got publicity in the Humboldt Times and got the name "Bigfoot" going was the prints found by Jerry Crew in 1958.

http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/papers/bctracks.html
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 12:26:46 PM »

LAL,

Obviously, you are more versed on this than I am.  Thanks for the post.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 02:41:09 PM »

LAL,

Obviously, you are more versed on this than I am.  Thanks for the post.

You're welcome.

I read a lot. I have a shelf full of books and DVDs and two sets of casts (Bossburg and Wrinklefoot copies) and endless hours surfing the Net. I used to live on a veritable sasquatch highway and never saw a thing. I could have had a sasquatch peering in the sliding glass door at night and never known it. My house was in roughly the middle of 80 acres of mature 2nd growth forest surrounded by more mature 2nd growth forest leading eventually into the Gifford Pinchot National Forest. The ground around it didn't show prints. Almost anything that could pass for soil had something growing in it.

I agree much of what people take for prints aren't real prints, but some are hard to explain any other way.

Bossburg:

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