I Just Asked--about bigfeet

[Ray Ford]

I was having a conversation today with a man I know.  He is not a real close friend but we know each other and talk occasionally.  He is an accomplished hunter of deer and such and, with associates, maintains a hunting lease in the southeastern part of Oklahoma.  I asked him if he had killed a Turkey yet.  He said that he had not, and I told him about seeing two large toms on Saturday but not getting a shot.  This started us talking about various things having to do with hunting--including things encountered in the dark.

After a while, I said, "Don't laugh at me, but, in all the time that you have hunted, have you ever seen anything that might have been a bigfoot."  His response was curious.  He paused for a moment before saying, "Well, I don't know." He then related an incident that occured in the Stillwell, Oklahoma, area.

He had told me that he carried a large Mag flashlight and that he had gotten some razing from his hunting buddies for doing so.  In their opinion, it was too heavy, but, he said, he liked to be able to scan the darkness to see what might be out there before walking into it.  For one thing, while going to a tree stand in the early morning hours, he could often spot deer and avoid spooking them--and everthing else in the woods.

Once, he scanned the woods, he told me, and picked up two eyes--eyes that were red and unlike any that he was accustomed to picking up with the light.  He held his hand out a full five feet from the floor and said, "They were about that high off the ground."  He turned off the light and mentioned what he had seen to his companion.  His companion suggested that it might be something on a limb.  He turned the light back on and caught the lights again before replying, "No!  It has moved from there to over there!"  He pointed as if indicating two points far enough apart to have eliminated the possibility of a limb--at least, the same limb.  He again held his hand out some five feet from the floor and repeated, "They were about that high off the ground.  "I have no idea," he said, "what it was!"

The way that he responded to my question and told me the story led me to believe that the possibility that what he had seen was a bigfoot had already occured to him.  I said, "Well, I'm not a real believer, but there are a lot of people who think that they are out there."  His reply was again curious.  He said, "Ray Ford, you and I both have been in the woods enough to know that there could be things out there that we have never seen."

[pastorp]

Ray, I would agree with that statement. The real question is are they flesh&blood?  Regards

[Ray Ford]

Ray, I would agree with that statement. The real question is are they flesh&blood?  Regards

I, just personally, refuse to believe in them if they aren't.

[pastorp]

I've seen your statement saying you believe God to be the only spirit on earth. Don't you believe in Satan and the fallen angels that were cast out of heaven. Like you, I don't believe in ghosts, believing that every human soul goes to his or her eternal reward after death. But I certainally believe in the Devil and demonic spirits.

Could Bigfoot possibly be a demonic manifestation?

Regards,

[Ray Ford]

I've seen your statement saying you believe God to be the only spirit on earth. Don't you believe in Satan and the fallen angels that were cast out of heaven. Like you, I don't believe in ghosts, believing that every human soul goes to his or her eternal reward after death. But I certainally believe in the Devil and demonic spirits.

Could Bigfoot possibly be a demonic manifestation?

Regards,

Many people do believe in the Devil and demonic spirits, and I don't fault them for their beliefs.  I've experienced some things that I would be hard-pressed to explain.  I know many sincere Christian people who feel that the most dangerous thing that a person can do is NOT believe in Satan and demonic spirits.  It gives both a clear path, they say, to slip up on a person.  I am a Christian, but I hold steadfastly to the proclamation of the prophet to the Israelites:  "Hear O Israel!  The LORD our God is one: beside him there is no other." I have been known to state that the real dualism in our world is not between God and the Devil but between God and man. 


Could Bigfoot possibly be a demonic manifestation?  I doubt it:  I really prefer the approach that another site takes when it proscribes posts talking about Bigfoot as anything other than a flesh and blood entity.  Now, as for some of the people involved in the discussion of, and search for, Bigfeet....

[pastorp]

In the New Testament, Jesus sure reconized the presence of demons--even casting them out of some people and, in one case, alowing the demons to go into a heard of pigs. In his tempetation in the wilderness, the Bible states that Satan came to tempt Jesus and jesus sinned not. I don't see how we can believe the Bible and not believe all of it.

Not trying to start a debate.  Just looking for common ground for this discussion. Regards,

[Ray Ford]

In the New Testament, Jesus sure reconized the presence of demons--even casting them out of some people and in one case alowing the demons to go into a herd of pigs. In his tempetation in the wilderness, the Bible states that Satan came to tempt Jesus and Jesus sinned not. I don't see how we can believe the Bible and not believe all of it.

Not trying to start a debate.  Just looking for common ground for this discussion. Regards,

You are correct in all the things that you offer from the New Testament, and in taking seriously everything that you find in the received text.  But this is not the place to do Biblical interpretation.  I don't think Bill would appreciate our doing that.  Suffice it to say what I have already said: I have experiences some things that I would be hard-pressed to explain.

Our "common ground" on this forum is the study of Bigfoot/feet--if we could find one to study--and our discussion was on the question, Could bigfoot be a demonic manifestation?  I don't think so: he/she is, if he/she is, a flesh and blood entity who, if we can believe what we are told, can be seen, sometimes smelled and sometimes heard and who leaves tracks and uses simple tools.  By tools, I refer to hitting trees with clubs.

Let me also say that I don't hold to the idea that bigfoot is a shape shifter--whatever that is.
Let me also say that I don't hold to the idea that Bigfoot is an alien intruder.
But don't get the impression that I put demons in the same category as shape shifters and aliens.

PM me and tell me what church you attend/to which you belong.   

[pastorp]

Since nobody has been able to produce a dead one or even a blood, stool, or bone sample It's really hard to believe they are actually a animal. Every aboragional people group has legends of their existance though. And with all the reliable sightings there is something out there, I don't believe rulling out any possibality is in the best interest of finding the truth.

AS far as footprints, those can be faked as well as the sightings.

I have never seen anything even remotely like a bigfoot. But I try to have a open mind. And while I am not a believer in a flesh&blood animal called bigfoot I find the supject interesting.

Regards,

[Halfbreed]

There have been many samples tested by differant state and country zoological universities where the sample could not be compared to anything else as there was no known like samples.
 And Jesus mentioned ghosts after his cruxification, before he ascended to heaven.
 I would have to look up the exact passage though.
 John

[Ray Ford]

Half,

I'd like to know to what passage you refer.  I'll try to find it when I have time.