Did BM hoax the MABRC?

[#59]

Did Bulletmaker (and company) perpetuate a hoax(s) during the various MABRC "expeditions" on his property?

Based upon information derived from some of his family members as well as another source it is my opinion, BM et. al. did not hoax the MABRC.

IMHO, Darren Lee and Randy Harrington hoaxed themselves.

They hoaxed themselves because they wanted to see things, because they wanted to hear things and because they likely felt the need to keep the pilgims' interest and enthusiasm piqued.

And, the the process, they hoaxed the MABRC including the genuine/sincere members of that organization, many of whom have since ended their affiliation with said.

Then why did BM issue such a statement?

Again, based upon information gathered (IMHO) it was a reaction to the deep sense of betrayal he felt after basically being thrown under the bus by DW/DO once they found their present sugar daddy/padrone'.

Unfortunately, that (in the case of DO) is a pattern which has a historical basis as M/M Peery found out and now M/M BM have also been subjected to similar treatment.

And so it goes in the world of Bigfootery...

[slappy]

I see you are  still bad mouthing and baiting. I doubt Doug will come out to play. The one I feel sorry for is Bill. He set this board up for serious discussions about BF and paid out of his own pocket. Make Bill an offer to buy the site, it's the least you can do for destroying it. POWDERMAN.  

Cry me a river, shill. What the mods here decide to do with their board is up to them, it is THEIR board. As for whether you can see the point or not, it is this simple.

If the MABRC was hoaxed by BM all those times, they are nothing more than a joke.
If they were hoaxed and knew about it, then they WERE on it.

They are not saints you need to stop deluding yourself into thinking they are.

At a minimum, DO, after being expelled from the squatchdetective agency, hooked into BM to use him for his property and when Smith came along with a better offer, Bibly was dumped just as quickly. How long will it be before Lee and the MABRC are next? Doesnt matter what flavor the cool aid is today, as long as those two run the group, the group is stuck in mayberry

[Ray Ford]

I over-heard a conversation the other day--a couple of people were talking on conference setting--in which it was admitted by a person close to Bulletmaker that his letter about hoaxing MABRC was an anger reaction, by him and him alone, and not true.  I also picked up an indication from another conversationg that I over-heard that Bullet intended, by the letter, to curtail interest in his place.  I can sympathize with him in that effort.  I'm glad to be back on friendly terms with Bullet and his wife, and their new little low-slung dog, but, otherwise, I couldn't say either way about all this. 

I do agree with Powder in his assertion that Bill set this site up for serious discussion of Bigfoot/feet and that that is how we should use it.  (If I were computer competent, I might dicker with him for the site, but I'm not.  And I'm not sure of my continuing interest.)

I suspect that Slappy is correct in what he/she says about Bullet being an indicator of discontent inside MABRC.  I suspect, in fact, that such discontent is inevitable in any group that promises a lot in an area where there just isn't a whole lot to deliver.  Like I've said before and often, most of the Bigfeet that I know wouldn't be caught dead at one of those organized hunts and certainly wouldn't want to have their picture taken at one.  And I still believe that, if a Bigfoot is ever taken, it might well be by a kid with a .22 hunting squirrels: a well-place .22 LR slug in an ear would probably do it.  (Every species of big game on the North American continent, including the Grizzly Bear, has been successfully bagged with a .22 LR.  Me, I've got a .22 magnum.)

Let's hit the woods--why not.  

[funksquatch]

Whether or not he actually hoaxed us is not verifiable.  What is verifiable is that any piece of evidence coming off of his land now, whether it is hoaxed or not, has been negated.  Anything short of a body will be dismissed as a hoax.  Anyone who researches his land or listens to his stories after what he has said is definitely biting off a mouthfull of food that may not be chewable.

[#59]

Whether or not he actually hoaxed us is not verifiable.  What is verifiable is that any piece of evidence coming off of his land now, whether it is hoaxed or not, has been negated.  Anything short of a body will be dismissed as a hoax.  Anyone who researches his land or listens to his stories after what he has said is definitely biting off a mouthfull of food that may not be chewable.

Nick,

Applying your logic would then preclude all "research/evidence" in which DO had any involvement in whatsoever given his criminal justice history.  I think it was the MABRC shill-in-chief (Powderman) that once stated; "once a thief, always a thief."

[Ray Ford]

You 2 [Slappy and Telahnay's G'son] have even corrupted Ray. 

And I didn't even know that I was corrupted!  C'mon, Powder. 

[Ray Ford]

 

I suspect...that such discontent is inevitable in any group that promises a lot in an area where there just isn't a whole lot to deliver.  Like I've said before and often, most of the Bigfeet that I know wouldn't be caught dead at one of those organized hunts and certainly wouldn't want to have their picture taken at one.  And I still believe that, if a Bigfoot is ever taken, it might well be by a kid with a .22 hunting squirrels: a well-place .22 LR slug in an ear would probably do it.  

Ya know, I keep expecting that statements of mine, like the above, will draw some comments/posts that have nothing to do with lambasting MABRC or Telahnay's G'son, but I guess that is just wishful thinking.

"...such discontent is inevitable in any group that promises a lot in an area where there just isn't a whole lot to deliver."  To the best of my knowledge, credible sightings/encounters of a bigfoot, or something that might be one, are very rare. and other evidence of their presence is seldom found.  When a site like MABRC, and I'm not dising them by saying this, creates elevated expectations and can't really satisfy those expectations, they....  Well, when you create expectations and can't meet them, you indirectly create disappointments--and anger. 

"...most of the Bigfeet that I know wouldn't be causght dead at one of those organized hunsts...."  If a Bigfoot, or several, were in an area, and if a group like MABRC, and I'm not dising them, went in with people and cameras and guns, any Bigfeet in the area would leave out.  If they were not reclusive and withdrawing, if they exist, they would be encountered much more often than they are, if they are actually encountered!

   

[#59]

 

I suspect...that such discontent is inevitable in any group that promises a lot in an area where there just isn't a whole lot to deliver.  Like I've said before and often, most of the Bigfeet that I know wouldn't be caught dead at one of those organized hunts and certainly wouldn't want to have their picture taken at one.  And I still believe that, if a Bigfoot is ever taken, it might well be by a kid with a .22 hunting squirrels: a well-place .22 LR slug in an ear would probably do it.  

Ya know, I keep expecting that statements of mine, like the above, will draw some comments/posts that have nothing to do with lambasting MABRC or Telahnay's G'son, but I guess that is just wishful thinking.

"...such discontent is inevitable in any group that promises a lot in an area where there just isn't a whole lot to deliver."  To the best of my knowledge, credible sightings/encounters of a bigfoot, or something that might be one, are very rare. and other evidence of their presence is seldom found.  When a site like MABRC, and I'm not dising them by saying this, creates elevated expectations and can't really satisfy those expectations, they....  Well, when you create expectations and can't meet them, you indirectly create disappointments--and anger. 

They did create elevated expectations with all the buzz words applied almost on a daily basis coupled with cryptic announcements that never materialized (aka: Ed Smith) to more than a popcorn fart in a hurricane.  Then, when people began to ask questions the reactionary response(s) included going turtle and then banning people (wholesale) for simply asking the questions and in the latest round for even knowing some of the people who'd already been banned.  The current proviso (on their website homepage) for someone making application is about as close to a cult as one can get.  maybe, DW/DO want to creat their version of Scientology?

"...most of the Bigfeet that I know wouldn't be causght dead at one of those organized hunsts...."  If a Bigfoot, or several, were in an area, and if a group like MABRC, and I'm not dising them, went in with people and cameras and guns, any Bigfeet in the area would leave out.  If they were not reclusive and withdrawing, if they exist, they would be encountered much more often than they are, if they are actually encountered!

Like a wise friend recently stated, "those people could not find a BF if they were sitting in one's lap." as evidenced by the volume of "sightings & encounters" they've supposedly had w/o producing a single shred of forensic evidence to substantiate such assertions.  DW/DO have cried wolf for so long that only the most ardent camp followers are still in tow and by all accounts even those numbers are diminishing daily.

   

[Ray Ford]

Was talking to a fellow who recently bought a deer hunt/lease from Bulletmaker.  He and BM were putting up a bump feeder, and, according to this fellow, they heard a tree knock.  It was, according to this fellow, plain and clear.  Who knows?

[#59]

Per the MNBRT show of last Monday, another person has postulated that indeed the MABRC hoaxed themselves.

What is front & center on this entire episode is the glaring reality that MABRC "researchers" absolutely failed in the scientific method process by not doing the requisite due diligence in authentication of the "foot cast" they recovered.

For starters it was in the property owner's yard.

Should that have not precipitated actions to clarify the origin on the foot track?

The Red Wing logo should have been a dead giveaway.

Another example of the quality and style of MABRC protocol is the incident (during one of their "expeditions" in the hidden beanfield) wherein the claim was published of eight ( Bigfoot "probing the perimeter of their camp".  I understand the number has since been revised to four (4) Bigfoot nonetheless, again the glaring fact is where is the forensic evidence such a number of bigfoot surely would have left at the scene?

Really?

The list goes on and on...

Couple that with the fact that some of the principals in this outfit carry convictions for stealing, mental health issues, et. al. along with questions that remain unanswered about certain fund raising activities of principals in the same organization and it is not a leap of logic for reasonable persons to conclude this is quite likely a case of inmates running the asylum.


edited: spelling

[#59]

Point of Clarification

In this discussion there are actually two (2) tracks that were cast and after conversing with a couple other people over the past few days it was felt the situation finally needed a bit of clarification.

I. The "basketball player" track was cast adjacent to M/M BM's dog runs on the north side of their yard ~50 yards from their front door.

This is believed to be a legitimate cast track however, DW took it to make copies (for sale at the BF Conference) and in the process damaged it severely to where it is unrecognizable as a genuine artifact.

II. The RedWing boot track was taken in M/M BM's backyard near the septic tank and is BM's foot/boot print.

This is the one DW, et. al. are howling about as the "hoaxed" track cast.

You'd think they would be able to tell the difference...but apparently not...which, makes a strong case for either their gross incompetence (as so-called BF researchers) or disingenious behavior on their part and a fraudulent attempt to smear BM after the rest of the world (via BM's original revelation of the nature of this cast) found out the truth.

It doesn't take much effort to see why they'd be screaming so loud and long for the truth (about this entire event) has made it evident they have little if any standing to proclaim themselves as "BF researchers" to any degree of competency or professionalism.

DW & company knew the straight of this situation all along and we were waiting to see if they would ever publically disclose these facts or continue the ruse.  I reckon we now know which path they chose.

That, my friends is what the late Paul Harvey would call..."the rest of the story".